JACKSONVILLE – State of the Franchise, a negotiating window …
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O-Zone: Building blocks wanted
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John, we the fans are terrified of another joke of a season. Another first-round bust. Another lame-duck coach. Another football bouncing off our running back’s foot when we are trying to dead the ball that subsequently leads to another interception. Fans gonna fan. We do every single year. But damn, John: Jags gotta Jag every year, too. Fans will get better when the team does.
John: I know the source of the terror, Nick. And there’s no doubt Jaguars fans have every right at this stage to view seasons with trepidation. The past few seasons have done nothing to inspire confidence, and it would be abnormal for fans to be giddy with optimism. I can’t write anything to make you feel differently because only winning is going to make you feel differently. I can tell you I get a good feeling about the professionalism of Head Coach Doug Marrone, and I sense at this early juncture that he’s a head coach who can get a lot out of his team. I think the players will respond to his approach, and I think there is young talent on this team that can continue to grow and give this team a chance to win. But until that happens, there will be skepticism. Considering how the last few seasons have played out, how couldn’t there be?
Does Dave Caldwell have a budget given to him by Mr. Khan or Mr. Lamping? Otherwise, we appear to be witnessing “insanity.” Why cut or trade players when you don’t have better players already on the roster? We have proven that free agency and the draft are a crap shoot at best. The cap will not be relevant for this team for the foreseeable future. Therefore, there must be a budget. It’s likely this “insanity” is reducing our chances of winning more games again this year.
John: The Jaguars have released two players this offseason, defensive end Jared Odrick and cornerback Davon House. It’s far from insane to think the Jaguars can and will adequately replace those players.
As a season-ticket holder, I welcome your smart aleck responses and Airplane humor. Here’s one for the O-Man!
John: I didn’t understand the question, Glen. Can you pay someone to close-caption it?
I am officially on the Solomon Thomas hype train – left defensive end or three technique, dude is a beast. What say you, O-Man?
John: I say there’s a lot to like. Around the combine, Thomas – a defensive end from Stanford – was talked about like a sure Top 20 player. There seems to be some momentum for him in the Top 5 or 10, and he did nothing at the combine to slow that momentum. There’s a long way to go before the draft, and Thomas feels like a player who could ascend – and stay there once he does.
O-Man, could you expand upon the “seriously-good numbers-that-Bortles-has-put-up” portion of your recent response to Ryan from Apopka? How is a 2016 season rating of 78.8 and 16 interceptions (how many pick-sixes?) considered good at all? Yes Bortles has prototypical size and at times has looked like a decent NFL quarterback, but “seriously good numbers”? Sorry, but not buyin’ what you’re sellin’.
John: (Sigh.) Anyone who has read the O-Zone any time in, oh, the last year and a half knows I’m not sellin’ anything that says Bortles has played like an elite quarterback. But he threw for 35 touchdowns and more than 4,400 yards in 2015 and has nearly 60 touchdown passes over the last two seasons. I don’t believe those numbers make Bortles elite and I’m not saying those numbers make up for the other poor numbers Bortles has put up in the same span. But he has put up some seriously good numbers in his three seasons. That he also has put up some bad ones doesn’t make that untrue.
MJD and T.J. Yeldon both had 36-inch vertical jumps. Barry Sanders had a 41.5 vertical. It foretells burst and explosiveness. Leonard Fournette and Dalvin Cook were not impressive in the vertical or broad jumps. They’ve been eliminated from consideration at No. 4 in my book. Solomon Thomas has been added, especially with Sen’Derrick Marks being shopped around. Would love an elite safety even more, though.
John: OK.
Oddball question, I guess, but here goes. In a draft that “appears” to be very deep at certain positions where the Jags may need help (running back, defensive line, defensive back), would it be counterintuitive for them to draft someone highly rated on their board from a “not so plentiful group” – say a wide receiver or tight end or offensive lineman and go for the deeper prospects later on? Zig when everyone zags? Or do you just NOT pass up talent where it’s slotted because “fans”…
John: I wouldn’t say it’s an odd question at all, and a position’s depth absolutely comes into play when plotting strategy before the draft. As with most draft-related questions, there’s not one answer that applies to all situations – and a player deemed a special talent trumps a lot of other factors. For instance, if the Jaguars truly believe a player such as Leonard Fournette of Jonathan Allen or Jamal Adams is a can’t-miss, redefine-the-franchise talent then it might not matter that a lot of very good starting-level players are available at their positions later in the draft. True difference-making players are rare and one of those is worth multiple so-so starting-level players elsewhere.
I’m not sure I understand the release of House. He was inconsistent, but he played well as a whole when he was on the field. Why would we not keep him as a reserve? Was he going to count that much against the cap? And does that even matter given how much cap space we have? Please help me understand this.
John: When a player such as House gets released when a team has as much cap space as the Jaguars it has some to do with the cap and a lot with the team believing it will be better off without that player. Also, remember: cap space can be rolled over, so you don’t want to keep or sign players with a high cap number just for the sake of having a player. You do want to make sure the player gives something close to value for the investment.
O-Zone, playing free agency feels like playing against the House in Vegas: no matter how much it seems you win, you still lost. I can’t really tell what to think. Supposedly the way a franchise treats its players matters to what players are excited to come and stay with the team … but then, money talks. So, to me I would think that Julius Thomas, Odrick and House would leave a bitter taste for other free agents, but it seems just as likely that instead it will be more like a “More $$ Here” neon sign for them. I’m thinking I close my eyes until November and hope we have a winning record before I bother with learning names or numbers.
John: Your question implies that Odrick, House and Thomas were somehow treated poorly during their time with the team. That implication tests reality.
Probably out of ignorance, I always felt that when you load free agents’ pockets with money, they take a step back. Thomas is the first example. But then I look back at Paul Poz and he was worth three bad picks. What do I know?
O-Zone: Moving forward
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O-Zone: Apple of their eye
INDIANAPOLIS – Heading home.
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I get that people like Leonard Fournette and that he might be good, or even great. This is also a guy that decided to not play in a bowl game with his team that he battled with all year. He also came into the combine weighing 240, and making the excuse that it was water weight. Am I looking too much into this or should this not be a concern to any team drafting him?
John: There inevitably is a prospect that gets overanalyzed and over-discussed in the wake of the NFL Scouting Combine, and it appears Fournette is this year’s model. That became the case when the former Louisiana State running back showed up at this year’s combine at 240 pounds and when he didn’t jump as high in the vertical jump as many expected. So now, analysts and draftniks undoubtedly will speculate and breathlessly quote “people in the NFL” about Fournette’s falling draft stock. I honestly doubt Fournette’s stock truly drops all that much. First, I care not one iota about Fournette missing the bowl game – and I imagine the great majority of NFL people feel the same way. It’s perfectly OK for prospects to protect their bodies for the NFL once their final college regular season ends; my guess is draft-eligible players foregoing their bowl games is going to be far more the norm than the exception moving forward, particularly for players with NFL millions at stake. As far as Fournette weighing 240 pounds … sure, that will be a topic. But Fournette is going to go somewhere in the Top 10, and how he early he goes will depend far more on his game tape and how teams feel philosophically about taking running backs early than anything that happened this week in Indianapolis.
I don’t pretend to know how to run a football team or a scouting department and whether or not to put a running back in your Top 4 or not. But I know I don’t remember EVER a discussion about a Jags dominant offensive line, yet two of the greatest players in my mind in Jaguars history are both running backs … Fred Taylor and Maurice Jones-Drew. If the staff believes either of the top two running backs in the draft can be the type of playmakers those two were you take them at No. 4 regardless of the thought about it not being a premium position. Get the ball into their hands … in space … with the ability to score … from anywhere. If they can do that I’d draft them at four every day of the week and twice on. … Thursday evening.
John: I don’t think you should underestimate the quality of the offensive lines that blocked in front of Taylor and Jones-Drew. Were they dominant? Perhaps not, but some of those lines were very good run-blocking units. As far as the running-back-premiere-position thing … it’s nearly two months from the draft and I can already see myself getting a little worn out over the debate. I’d be surprised if the Jaguars take either player at No. 4. I can see the reasoning for doing it, especially if they believe Fournette is a build-the-offense-around-him player – which might well be the case. If he’s that guy, and if he can define the franchise for a while … then, sure, take him. This franchise hasn’t had enough defining guys in a good, long while. It sure could use one. Still I doubt it happens. I believe the value of other positions at No. 4 eventually will win the day.
Seems safe to assume we aren’t taking a running back with the No. 4 pick with those sub-par performances from the big dogs.
John: I wouldn’t assume that – certainly not because of 40-yard dashes at the combine.
I understand the notion of bringing in competition for Blake Bortles at quarterback and not wanting to pay an arm and a leg. What are your thoughts on Mike Glennon and Colin Kaepernick? I would gather both could be signed at a reasonable contract and could provide solid competition.
John: One part of this discussion is the definition of “reasonable.” Is paying starter’s money for a player who might not start reasonable? That’s a matter of opinion. I don’t get the impression that Glennon’s contract is going to come cheap – and Colin Kaepernick’s likely won’t, either. Another issue is something former Tampa Bay Buccaneers General Manager Mark Dominick noted on Jaguars.com LIVE Friday — that a lot of quarterbacks don’t want to sign somewhere to compete with an incumbent because the belief is the incumbent has a big advantage. It’s easy to see how that could be the perception of Jacksonville. Bortles has started for the better part of three seasons and he has put up some seriously good numbers. Many who watched this team in recent seasons know he struggled, but trying to find a quarterback to compete against him may be trickier in real life than it would be in Madden.
Would it be possible to see Myles Jack playing safety this year? Do you see him as a possibility there?
John: Yes, it’s possible. No, I don’t believe this will happen. I think there’s a good chance Myles Jack plays middle linebacker with Paul Posluszny at strong-side. Another option could be having Posluszny in the middle on passing downs, and having Jack play the position in passing situations. Either way, I think Jack plays linebacker and not safety.
Give Caldwell credit where it is due: he can cut these free agents easily due to the way he is structuring their deals. No general manager hits 100 percent in free agency, but to make the release painless as possible is something he controls very well.
John: This is true, and it stems from Caldwell’s general philosophy when it comes to free agency. He considers it a necessary evil, something he reiterated at the 2017 NFL Scouting Combine this week. There’s no way to avoid overspending in free agency and the chances are great that you’re going to miss on players – or that at the very least those players won’t perform as well as they did at their previous stops. It’s the nature of the beast. But the Jaguars indeed have been able to get out from under disappointing free-agent situations. The positive is that they will be able to sign more free agents this offseason. The downside may be that they are able to sign more free agents this offseason, but we’ll see.
You often hear that teams are going to let potential free agents test the market to set their value. Do you think with the salary cap going up annually as much as it is that perhaps that’s a bad idea? Teams are so flush with cap space that if you let your free agent test the market, he is probably gone these days.
John: Letting potential free agents test the market is a fine idea if you’re OK with losing that player. If you want to keep him it’s a horrible idea because he usually winds up signing elsewhere.
Having played guard, center and a little nose tackle, I question a comment you made Thursday when you talked about a rushing game was basically sticking your “chest out.” I agree. When you can impose your will on another team it’s a beautiful thing and dovetails very nicely with the Lombardi principal of attacking the teams’ strengths. Is it wise to attempt this with a line that’s not there yet? An attempt with failure will take the wind out of your sail pretty quickly. Are we ready for this yet? Like most very old linemen, I believe a great offensive line can solve most issues, but how do we do without a great line? #DTWD
John: I think the Jaguars’ offensive line will be different entering next season, with at least two new starters. Will that make them great? I have no idea. Will it give them an opportunity to be a better run-blocking team? That’s the Jaguars’ hope.
Johnny-O: Free agency is like a dance club; everybody is eyeing the same pretty girl. We act as if we can pick up anybody we want, greasing back our hair and flashing our $69 million wad of cash. What we don’t seem to realize is three other teams actually have more cap space than us (Cleveland, San Francisco, Tampa Bay) and eight teams have more than $54 million to woo away the apple of our eye. My point is that there’s a lot of competition on the dance floor; try not to fall in love, because there’s a good chance you’re not going home with the one you want.
O-Zone: Grab a towel
INDIANAPOLIS – Let’s get to it …
O-Zone: Legends of the fall
INDIANAPOLIS – The 2017 NFL Scouting Combine rolls on.
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O-Zone: Taking it personally
INDIANAPOLIS – Combine, Day Two.
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O-Zone: Getting his due
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O-Zone: Coach ’em up
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O-Zone: Hanging tough
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