JACKSONVILLE – Let’s get to it …
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JACKSONVILLE – Let’s get to it …
JACKSONVILLE – Let’s get to it …
JACKSONVILLE – Sigh.
Let’s get to it …
I NEED you to answer this question for me: What pass did Blake Bortles make in the ENTIRE game that leads you or anyone to believe that he could be “the guy.” Every pass was high, not catchable – or as the announcers said, “Another wobbly one from Bortles.” Our defense is the best in league in my opinion; the 20th-best quarterback in the league makes us a deep playoff contender. Chad Henne is a better option.
John: I don’t see that move being made at this point, and neither do I believe that Henne currently is the better option. But there’s not an ideal answer here, or an ideal move. Bortles on Sunday didn’t play well enough for the Jaguars to win, and his lack of consistency hurt at times. The lack of ability to make a big-time throw 15-to-20 yards downfield at times hurt, too. But wide receiver Marqise Lee flat-out dropping a catchable, well-thrown ball in overtime hurt more. And allowing two – TWO! – touchdown runs of 69 yards or more … yeah, those hurt. Bortles doesn’t appear that he’s going to consistently win games for you right now. But my guess is the coaches feel he played well enough for the Jaguars to win Sunday had they not done some really bad things at some really bad times. And the memory of Bortles making a lot of good plays a week ago remains fresh. It would be great if Bortles was putting the team on his shoulders and winning a game such as Sunday’s. He’s not. But he’s still the best option for now and my guess is he will remain the Jaguars’ starter. And yes, I felt passionately about the two touchdown runs. You can tell because I not only described them with CAPITAL LETTERS but with exclamation points!!!
Ugliest at its best!!!???
John: Or worst. But whatever.
2-14? This team is a fraud!
John: I expected this sort of an email after Sunday’s game – and truth be told, I expected it from Jerell. And I’m sure this will be a common reaction from many observers. But this team is not a fraud, and it’s not one that’s terribly hard to characterize right now. It’s a team with a defense that has potential to be very good. It’s also a young defense that has played four games together – not to mention a gap defense that’s going to rely on speed and pursuit; those last few factors sometimes lead to big plays allowed on defense, which happened Sunday. Overall, though, this still feels like it will consistently be a good defense – and the end of the game and overtime again showed as much. Offensively? That’s a different story. It’s a team that can run the ball well at times and a team that is going to get some good days from the quarterback and some rough days. Sunday was a rough day, which not only makes it tough in the passing game it also makes the going in the run game tough, too. But no, Jerell: the team is not a fraud. It’s a team that deserves its 2-2 record, but also a team that with a break Sunday could have been 3-1. I suspect they’ll be in a bunch more games such as Sunday’s, and I believe they’ll win a bunch of those games. I still have a tough time seeing this team in the postseason, but I don’t have a tough time seeing this team winning and competing and looking improved over the next 12 games.
This team still does not know how to win.
John: Not this week, it didn’t. It has known how to win twice, and it has known how to win three times under Head Coach Doug Marrone. I’m not surprised this season has featured some highs and lows. And I’m not surprised Sunday’s game played out as it did. I believed the Jaguars would win Sunday and I wrote as much. But I also felt before the game that those who believed it would be an easy Jaguars victory or that the Jets were so awful they couldn’t stay in the game were forgetting a lot of things. One thing they were forgetting was that the Jets had played well the week before and were playing at home; the Jets don’t believe their season is over and they played like a team that believes in itself Sunday. That’s a dangerous combination. Another thing people were forgetting was despite two impressive victories this was still a Jaguars team that had lost to Tennessee in one-sided fashion. It’s not yet a team that has proven itself to have a reliable, week-to-week offense. When that’s the case, it’s hard to win comfortably on a consistent basis. This team is learning how to win. It has shown that twice this season. It also has shown it’s not yet a great, dominant team. Teams that aren’t dominant tend to lose games they should win some weeks and win games in enticing fashion other weeks. Welcome to the 2017 Jaguars.
Two captains, three crucial penalties. We no longer need Poz or Benn – and since we have them, we aren’t 3-1. Cut them. And Nathaniel Hackett should be close behind. End of regulation why is our best player (Fournette) not touching the ball?!?!? Not one run. We should be leading the division instead we just lost to the “tanking” Jets.
John: Yes, cut them all. Absolutely. Fire them all. Revamp the entire roster, or at least half of it. Hire my uncle – who’s pushing 90 and knows the name of maybe five NFL teams, by the way – as offensive coordinator. I’ll pass these ideas along.
And that’s how a team with a losing history finishes a game. Dropped pass, can’t field a punt and taunting. Classic Jaguars …
John: It’s fair for an observer to feel this way – and a lot indeed looked familiar on Sunday. And a lot in the Jaguars’ two losses has looked familiar. But a lot about the season has looked unfamiliar, too – the blowout victories, the playmaking defense, the grit and guts to rally on the road Sunday. The Jaguars needed to close Sunday to make the grit and guts of the fourth quarter matter. They clearly believed in the locker room that the grit and guts will remain and that this is more the grit and guts team than the team that looked too familiar. They must prove they’re not that familiar team. That’s the task that lies ahead.
John, why do the Jaguars as a “run-first” team seem to always want to throw the ball in the red zone? First-and-goal from the 5 with the game on the line and they throw three passes. It makes no sense. You run the ball in that situation and try to punch it in and eat up the clock so that the Jets have no time to respond. That’s inexcusable play calling.
John: I got a lot of versions of this question and it was understandably a major topic after the game Sunday. Both Head Coach Doug Marrone and quarterback Blake Bortles said the approach near the goal line was because they believed the Jets’ philosophy on the goal line was to not only stack the line but call a lot of run blitzes. It indeed is a low-percentage proposition to run into the teeth of a defense taking that approach – yes, even when you’re a run-first team with a No. 4-drafted running back. Now, it turned out that the Jets didn’t play that way in those situations. So, maybe the run would have worked. And those are certainly plays the Jaguars would have liked to have had back. But in this case it wasn’t “playcalling” at issue as much as miscalculating the opponent’s approach. Either way, the Jets won that one. No doubt.
I was equally frustrated Sunday by the zillion batted balls and the play calling. I hate this team. I love you John, but I hate this team.
John: Well, I suppose it’s nice to be loved.
Not one of Jaguars offensive coordinator Nathaniel Hackett’s best games. Where was Fournette?
John: Running 24 times and getting targeted five more times. And taking heavy contact and punishment pretty much that many times, too.
So can we start talking about QBs in the draft?
John: On October 2? With the Jaguars at 2-2? No.
If they are so in love with Jason Myers’ leg strength, why not go for the 60-yard field in overtime? Weak coaching call, but really bad game by Bad Blake.
John: You’re talking about fourth-and-3 from the Jets 43 with 5:19 remaining in overtime. The Jaguars played percentages there. The defense was getting the Jets off the field and the feel of the game told you that if you punted you had a high percentage chance of getting the ball back in good field position. The defense did its job and the Jets punted from their 25. Where it went awry for the Jaguars was that the punt was a 70-yarder – and that wide receiver Marqise Lee misplayed the punt. And that wide receiver Arrelious Benn got called for a penalty. You don’t anticipate as a coach that you’re going to lose 70 yards of field position on a punt. That’s game-changing stuff, and it sure changed the same on Sunday.
Uggghhhhhhhhhhhh. We lost … evidence that this team cannot get over a hump.
John: Ugh.
The Jaguars did everything in their power to lose this game. There is too much to account for as to everything they did, or should I say, failed to do. I don’t even know why I torture myself every Sunday watching Jaguars games.
JACKSONVILLE – Let’s get to it …
JACKSONVILLE – Let’s get to it …
JACKSONVILLE – Let’s get to it …
JACKSONVILLE – Let’s get to it …
Unfortunately, there is another explanation for the seemingly inconsistent results in the Jags’ first three games – and it has nothing to do with Blake Bortles, the offensive line or any other factors within our team’s control: Tennessee is really good, sad to say – and Marcus Mariota may be great. I say that as a true Titans hater. Any offense that can hang 30-plus on Seattle is seriously good. Your thoughts?
John: My thoughts are that Tennessee is good – and I guess I’ve never really considered the Jaguars’ results from the first three games this season all that unusual. They played big-time defense against two opponents, got leads and stretched those leads into comfortable victories. The best team they have played thus far is the Titans, a team with an offensive line capable of controlling the Jaguars’ defensive line. The Jaguars in that game were unable to get the score in their favor. That made pass-rushing tougher and penalties put the offense in difficult down-and-distance situations. Tennessee indeed is good with a good offensive line. If the Jaguars don’t play really well against good teams with good offensive lines they’re going to lose – and possibly lose big. Remember this, too: “inconsistency” is the norm in the NFL. It’s a league of matchups and it’s a week-to-week league. Super Bowl champions get blown out during the regular season. Struggling teams beat good ones. I expect the Jaguars to win some more games big when their pass rush is effective and they create turnovers. I expect they may lose some games by double digits if their defensive front doesn’t control games or if the offense commits penalties and turnovers. Fans will panic when the latter happens and draw conclusions. As long as the team doesn’t follow the fans’ lead in this area, then I think this bunch has a chance to stay competitive and maybe be better than I originally thought. We’ll see.
I think Shad Khan is the best owner in sports … but I also think he missed a great opportunity the other day to actually do what everyone says he did. Big headline says he “stood in solidarity” with his players. Unfortunately, many kneeled … this is not the definition of solidarity. We were the very first game of the day and I just wish Shad had told his team that they would indeed “all” Stand in Solidarity. That would have been an awesome display for an awesome team and group of young men. Imagine the talk of the sports world if we had all stood arm-in-arm and every team after had half their team kneeling! Go Jags!
John: What the Jaguars and Khan did Sunday they did in a difficult circumstance. Ravens-Jaguars was the first NFL game after President Trump’s comments, which meant there was no blueprint for handling the situation. The Jaguars chose to lock arms during the anthem, which did show solidarity. Within that solidarity, there were players who chose to kneel. I can’t speak for Khan, but my guess is he wasn’t going to “order” players on how to behave at that moment. I could be wrong, but that’s my guess. Was how the Jaguars handled Sunday ideal? Perhaps not. But this isn’t an ideal situation. No action taken Sunday was going to make everyone happy. There’s no blueprint or perfect approach on an issue so divisive.
Do you think “using a paper hammer to build a steel building” will catch on?
John: I hope not because I didn’t think of it – and only things I think up should be clever and catch on.
If you’re going to dip into the anthem-kneeling topic on the O-Zone, how about you include the points of view of both sides? You just include an ex-Marine and another person who disagrees with the acts of the players. Nothing from the other side of the fence. I personally respect why people stand for the anthem, but absolutely DESPISE the expectation that everyone does so – otherwise you’re an ass and a traitor.
John: The emails I choose for this topic will be ones that I choose to choose. The effort will be to choose ones that inform on some level. I doubt I’ll always choose “fairly.” When that’s the case, it won’t be because of a personal point of view. My personal point of view, for the record, is essentially that citizens in this country have the right to say and do as they so choose so long as they don’t harm others. And it doesn’t bother me when professional athletes speak out on issues. I don’t really put all that much stock into what they say or do off the field; I rarely consider them experts on social topics, but there’s nothing wrong with them speaking on the topic. Just as they have the right to speak or act, people have an equal right to not listen or pay attention when they do. Many people don’t share my outlook and therefore get very emotional or upset at things players do. That’s fine, but I choose not to let it bother me on a personal level. As for discussing this topic in the O-Zone, perhaps we’ve discussed it about as much as is necessary. Perhaps not. I suppose we’ll see what the day brings.
The Jaguars are 2-1 now. To end up .500, we now must have a losing record from here on out (6-7). Do you think we are better positioned now for nine wins than you thought was possible before the season started? I can see a 7-6 or even 8-5 the rest of the way.
John: I thought before the season the Jaguars had a decent chance to return from London 2-1, so that factored into me thinking they had a chance to win seven or eight games. But the reason I think the Jaguars have a chance at nine victories is that the Jaguars are a better team than I thought before the season. The defense is significantly better and twice has shown the ability to take control of a game. The offensive line has been more stout blocking for the pass than I thought possible. While the running game hasn’t been dominant, it has been good enough in two of three games to allow the offense to function in manageable situations. The team has a formula. It’s not ridiculous to think that formula could get the Jaguars over .500 the rest of the season.
I know Mychal Rivera is on injured reserve, but does he have a chance to return this season? Sure would be nice to have another play-making receiver.
John: Rivera is a tight end, and he would be a viable option in the passing offense. But because he went on injured reserve before the Jaguars finalized their 53-man roster on September 2, he is not eligible to return this season.
I think you are wrong to say NFL players can’t be compared to regular Joes when making political statements. First of all, the NFL picks and chooses when they want to allow free speech/expression. Hypocritical! Second, a segment of the NFL is subsidized by tax dollars, which means we regular Joes are paying for their show of disrespect in two ways. Third, no American employee of any industry should ever be deemed so irreplaceable that there is no limit to how irresponsible they can act. Here is to hoping the fans have the nerve to STAY AWAY!!
John: I’m not all that interested in point-by-point arguments here. They frankly make for boring reading – and what I write is boring enough without furthering the cause. My point when saying that NFL players can’t be compared to “normal employees” is correct because they’re not “normal employees” in the sense that I am a “normal employee” or that most people I know are “normal employees.” There are many ways this is true, from the fact that they have limited choice in where they play to the fact that they make exorbitant salaries to the fact that they often remain employed after incidents that indeed would be fire-able off-field offenses for “normal employees.” A lot of what I mentioned in the previous sentence may not feel “right” or “fair.” Fair or unfair, that’s the way it is. The same is true of athletes protesting. Could I protest similarly and remain employed? Perhaps not. But players can and will. That’s the way it is.
I don’t have much of a question for you John. I would like to pay tribute to your eloquent, amusing, and clever dialogue that you bequeath each and every editorial. I am a fan of you as much as I am a fan of the Jaguars. Keep up the good work.
JACKSONVILLE – I’ll start today on the subject of kneeling.
I’ll start there because however we got here, the national anthem and kneeling now overwhelm all else about the NFL.
It won’t be the only issue discussed in this O-Zone – and as we move forward, it may not be discussed nearly as much here as in other NFL forums.
That won’t be because of a mandate that it not be discussed, or because of a fear of discussing it. Nor will it be because of my political views, if I indeed even possess such things.
While I understand the topic’s relevance, my objective is to not have it overwhelm all else in this forum. I therefore don’t plan to answer every question received on the topic. I have no plan to go down the rabbit hole of discussing President Trump’s motives, or to discuss whether players are “right” or “wrong.”
This isn’t to pretend the issue isn’t there; it’s just doubtful discussing either side extensively here will accomplish much except to reaffirm a divide that needs no reaffirming.
I understand people are passionate about this topic, and I understand there’s no easy solution. I understand many fans are upset enough about the kneeling they plan to no longer follow the NFL or this team. I have received heartfelt emails from longtime readers saying as much.
I get this. The team gets it. No one in the organization takes it lightly.
What is the end game? Time will tell.
As for this forum, I understand people want to voice their opinions here. I won’t ignore the topic, and I’ll do my best to inform when possible. I’ll also at times post a question or a point from readers that seem to offer something unique and informative. The first one today seems to do that.
Let’s get to it …
I am a Marine Corps Special Forces veteran and have served for nine years. I have outlived more friends than I care to count and am only 32 years old. Unfortunately, there are many veterans that can say the same, and that is why so many are offended by the way many NFL players are choosing to protest. Most veterans and many Americans view the singing of the National Anthem as a way to remember all those who served and have sacrificed so much. Our friends did not serve for any specific race or gender; they served to protect any and all who call themselves an American. Sitting and kneeling through the Anthem is perceived as apathy and lack of appreciation for all who have given so much for our freedoms. I am completely supportive of the First Amendment and am adamant everyone has the opportunity to express their beliefs and opinions, especially if they are speaking out against oppression and injustice. I just want to write to give some context to why kneeling upsets so many. I truly believe most people understand the players’ cause and support the point they are trying to make. However, in the same way President Trump’s statement about firing players who do not stand for the National Anthem caused more division, the way protests have been conducted initiated the same divisive culture they say they are fighting to overcome. I could completely get behind standing arm in arm with teammates or police officers, and would love to hear about the player’s concerns in press conferences, radio and TV interviews, or podcasts. I just wanted to provide the perspective of those who do not agree with the protests; it has nothing to do with the topic and everything to do with how it is being presented. #standtogether #DTWD
John: Fair point.
John, it’s not that some think these players don’t have the “right” to protest. Of course they do, but not “on the job!” I can’t go to work and then stand out on the street protesting something I feel strongly about. Employees should do the job they are paid for … nothing more and nothing less. Then there’s the fact that the NFL has a “rule” concerning this … on pages A62-63. It says ALL will be present in the sideline for the anthem, standing with their hand over their hearts. It doesn’t say … “unless you feel strongly about something outside of football.” Why, in a league full of rules which are enforced, is this not only ignored, no one even mentions its existence.
John: One thing to accept in this discussion is it’s pointless to compare the work situations of players to that of “normal employees.” NFL players are contracted employees whose skill set is unique and deemed worthy of high compensation and “star status.” My guess is if your skill set at your job was deemed the same then you absolutely could “stand out on the street protesting” and not be fired. Tom Brady, for example, could stand on his head in his underwear during the anthem and insult every member of Patriots Owner Bob Kraft’s family and find himself employed the next day. I probably couldn’t pull the same stunt and have my code work when I left the field. As for the NFL “rule” regarding this, it doesn’t exist. That’s why it’s not enforced or mentioned – except in the netherworld of the internet.
John, I believe that the “D” is – and should be – of an elite level. However, when you look at this win and last week’s loss side by side it becomes glaringly evident that it can only remain elite if the offense can be consistently average at worst. It’s amazing how different a defense looks and plays with adequate rest between series.
John: I agree that adequate rest between series can play a role defensively, and it likely played a role in the Jaguars’ Week 2 loss to Tennessee. But two major factors for the Jaguars’ defense so far this season have been matchups and situation. The Jaguars had a favorable matchup in Week 1 with their defensive line against the Texans’ offensive line. They took advantage of the matchup and got a lead. Getting that lead got them into a situation where they could rush the passer without much fear of the run – and the result was a dominant, lopsided victory. The Tennessee offensive line matched up better against the Jaguars’ defensive line, the Jaguars never got the advantage of a lead and the Titans’ offense was able to control the game late. The Jaguars’ defensive line controlled the game early Sunday, and the Ravens’ offense never gained an edge; as was the case in Tennessee, the result was a swarming, disruptive day for the Jaguars’ defense. I continue to believe a major tell for the Jaguars this season will be whether or not their defensive line matches up well with the opposing offensive line. When it does, the Jaguars have a good chance for a big defensive day. It will get lot harder when that’s not the case.
In a world where O-Zone is attractive …
John: The Jaguars are 2-1.
Have the Jaguars become London’s Team?
John: To a degree, yes. The Jaguars on Sunday made their fifth appearance as a “home” team at Wembley Stadium. I generally speaking have seen a significant increase in fan support and energy behind them in the last three appearances. This seemed particularly the case in 2015 and 2016, and it seemed that was the case on Sunday despite a pretty large Ravens crowd. The Jaguars are certainly trending toward status as “London’s Team.” It’s a process.
What does the term ‘healthy scratch ‘ mean?
John: A healthy scratch is a player who is inactive when uninjured.
I hope Marrone is able to stick to the game plan in the future as disciplined as he did this Sunday.
John: I’m sure he does, too. The thing about game plans is they’re remarkably easy to stick to when they work and when things are going well. The Jaguars stuck to their game plan in Weeks 1 and 3 because they were effective early and got large leads. The Jaguars in a Week 2 loss to Tennessee were in a tight game, then drew a rash of penalties that put the offense in difficult down-and-distance situations. The offense stalled, which eventually led to the Titans getting a lead. The game plan in that game didn’t call for a lot of second- and third-and-20s or a double-digit deficit. That’s what it faced, and discipline becomes difficult in that situation.
Wow. Three games in and they have all been one-sided games. What does this say about our team?
John: That the Jaguars are good enough to win big against teams they match up well against when they play well and they’re capable of losing big to teams they don’t match up as well against when they don’t play as well.
Last year I stated I was 2-2 for live games and was happy to come to the US on your expense anywhere to help the Jags win. You obviously replied with a witty comment but surely now at 3-3 you have to be considering inviting me over to your home??
JACKSONVILLE – Let’s get to it …
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Run game and strong “D” versus run game and strong “D.” This seems like a more favorable matchup with the exception of Joe Flacco being in the pocket.