Where Jags Fans Aren't Pussies
10/16/2017
Let’s start with this for Steelers fans: No coach is better at challenging his team than Mike Tomlin. After last week’s pathetic performance against the Jaguars, he challenged his team to run the ball and play defense, and that’s exactly what he got yesterday. The final score was not indicative of the physical pounding the Steelers put on the Chiefs. That’s the hardest I’ve seen a defense hit all year.
Andreww from Woodville, OH
Vic, I know you tell us to enjoy the ride of the twists and turns of a season, but after a certain broken collarbone, are we wrong to be disappointed the ride is now much less likely to include a Super Bowl?
Disappointed? How about devastated? My heart goes out to all Packers fans today. I know how much you love your team. I know how much this hurts.
Tom from Wood River, IL
Do you think Packers fans are about to learn not to let hope turn into expectations? I will hope for a good game each week now.
You’ve achieved perspective. One win, any win, is good enough now.
Jerry from Wilmington, NC
Ok Vic, now that I know you are who you say you are, are the Packers who we think they are?
Not without Aaron Rodgers. That identity is gone. Now they must create a new identity. Now they must run the ball, stop the run, rush the passer, defend against the pass … they must do it all because they won’t have Rodgers to do it for them.
Joe from Colorado Springs, CO
Vic, first I’d like to apologize for any grammar or punctuation errors. I’ve never been much of a reader, but “Ask Vic” changed that for me and I’d like to thank you for the enjoyment I’ve had from your writing. It made me very sad when you retired; insider just isn’t the same without you. I just discovered this blog while reading the inbox and I literally jumped for joy. I’m very glad to be able to read your work once again. You are truly unique and could never be duplicated or replaced by any means. Now, onto my question. Will you be bringing back the bans? Thank you for your time and all the joy you’ve brought me over the years.
You’re banned.
Salvador from Metepec, Mexico
I found your column in the 2013 season when No. 12 went down. I came every day to packers.com to check. Do you expect any Week 17 heroics from Rodgers to keep the playoff streak going?
Expect? No. Hopeful? Yes.
Jimmy from Jacksonville, FL
In your vast wisdom, can you please explain what happened to Blake Bortles and how should GM Dave Caldwell be held accountable, if at all?
What do you want, a public flogging? All personnel directors are held accountable for their decisions, especially at quarterback. James Harris was held accountable for his decisions, and the ones in 2008 – Derrick Harvey and Jerry Porter immediately come to mind – did him in. Gene Smith was held accountable for Blaine Gabbert. Ultimately, Tom Coughlin was held accountable for the Jaguars’ salary cap problems. I wrote in this column last week the Browns are proof a team in need of a quarterback should never pass on a quarterback. That doesn’t mean you’ll pick the right guy, but you’ll never find the right one if you don’t pick one. Caldwell needed a quarterback. Bortles was largely considered to be the next guy up. Was Bortles overdrafted? Sure he was. So was E.J. Manuel, Christian Ponder, Tim Couch, Akili Smith and on and on. It’s the nature of the position. Bortles’ travails remind me of Byron Leftwich’s. It’s difficult for a quarterback to succeed if he has bad mechanics. The last pass Bortles threw in the Jets game nearly turned end over end. A decision will be made on his future by season’s end. There is still hope, but time is running short.
Tim from Madison, WI
Vic, you love Lamar Jackson. I do, too, but I don’t see how he succeeds as a QB in the NFL. What am I missing?
You’re missing the evolution of the position on the pro level. Jackson’s skill set is the future.
Bill from Sheboygan, WI
What are your thoughts on the NCAA’s failure to significantly punish North Carolina?
The NCAA sent a strong message with its ruling on North Carolina. That message is: It pays to cheat.
Jeffro from Kenosha, WI
I constantly hear the media say the Packers have one of the least talented rosters in the league, sans Aaron Rodgers. The great Ron Wolf believed roughly a third of your roster needed to be Pro-Bowl caliber players to win the Super Bowl. Do you think we have those 15 players? Glad you’re back!
Wolf said that? I find that hard to believe, especially in the salary cap era. You not only don’t need 15 stars to win the Super Bowl, you couldn’t afford to cap 15 stars. The Patriots are the proof of that. Yes, in the pre-cap years, you needed a deep and powerful cast of players to win it all. You needed the big three on offense (QB, RB, WR) and a dominant player on defense. The Cowboys had Aikman, Smith, Irvin and Woodson (among others on defense). The 49ers had Montana, Craig, Rice and Lott. The Steelers had Bradshaw, Harris, Swann and Greene (among several others on defense). The Packers had Starr, Taylor, Dowler and Nitschke (among others on defense). Today’s teams can’t afford all of those players on one roster. Look at Brady’s cast of receivers with whom he’s won Super Bowls; it’s been a revolving door.
Squirrelette from Bethesda, MD
Vic, with Aaron Rodgers possibly out for the rest of the season, how do you see the Packers’ chances to make the playoffs? I’m also worried about the defense.
The Packers’ playoff chances have taken a broadside hit, and now that becomes the storyline. Let’s play to that drama. It worked in 2013. It was one of the most thrilling Decembers I’ve ever covered. I do not want to lose my December friend. By the way, please use a real kind of name. I don’t want to start a trend of readers using tags. I won’t answer questions from people using tags.
Edward from Canton, SD
What do you think about signing Colin Kaepernick?
I’m not opposed to it.
Mark from Adelaide, Australia
Searching “Vic Ketchman” and “Ask Vic” on Google returned only your old work for the first two pages of search returns, so I thought I had misunderstood the mentions. A few nights later, I persisted by digging a little deeper and finally found your new blog on the bottom of the third page of Google search returns. Just thought you might want to know the path your former readers are taking to find their way back to you. Would you prefer the new blog flew a little under the radar, or would you be just as happy if everyone came flooding over to join the new conversation?
If no one reads this new “Ask Vic,” I make no money. If the whole world reads it, I still make no money. It’s still professional football, but for the first time in my writing career, it’s not about the money.
Kris from Copenhagen, Denmark
Vic, how much do you enjoy seeing the Jags finally having some success again?
It warms my heart. My early years in Jacksonville were my great adventure. I left home and a team I had covered for 23 years to live and work in a place I had never even visited. Everything was new. What followed were 16 wonderful years of learning new ways, and I learned more about myself in those 16 years than I had in the 44 years previous. That’s why I say change is good. It’s also why I left to go to Green Bay. Change is good. Now, I have all those memories to make me rich. They are memories of sweltering days in Jacksonville, and frigid days in Green Bay. They are memories of a team steeped in tradition, and of a team trying to establish one. Jacksonville allowed me to be a pioneer; I was there when it all began. I owe Jacksonville more than I could ever repay it. Go Jags!
Andy from Grand Rapids, MI
Vic, I know the only reason you never truly answered soccer questions on packers.com is because you were beholden by the big wigs to stick to football. Now that you are free of that burden, what are your thoughts on the USMNT failing to qualify for next year’s World Cup?
I’m OK with it because if they played the World Cup in my backyard, I’d close the blinds. If the soccer nuts broke into my house, opened the blinds and held my eyelids open and forced me to watch, I’d hold my breath until I died. If I was president, I would sign an executive order banning soccer, and I would propose a ban on immigration from countries harboring soccer.
Paula from Minneapolis, MN
Now that you’re able to watch football as a fan, do you focus on different aspects of the game than you did as a writer? If so, what?
No, I watch football the same way. I study what each team is attempting to do according to formation, motion, shifting and disguising coverages and fronts. Once I get a feel for the plan, I know what each team’s perceived strengths and weaknesses are, and then I just watch the ball and enjoy the drama.
Dustin from Seymour, WI
I was rooting for the Packers defense to get that last stop in Dallas. What’s your opinion on the arrow of the defense?
It’s pointing sideways. Dom Capers is doing a lot schematically, and that always worries me. I like a defense that can line up, play it straight and win the one-on-ones. I don’t get the sense so far this season the Packers defense can play that way.
Mike from Niagara Falls, Canada
Do you find it a little too convenient a former USFL owner (who not only tanked the USFL with his ideas but was once denied ownership of an NFL team), is waging war on the NFL now that he has the most powerful office in the country? He seems petty enough to hold that kind of grudge.
Donald Trump will never get over the embarrassment of a $3 ($1 trebled) damage award to the USFL from the NFL. In his mind, he’ll always see the NFL people laughing as they left the courthouse. He pushed the envelope too far too fast. The USFL had developed a nice spring niche for itself, but that wasn’t good enough for Trump. He wanted to play in the fall. He wanted to wage war with the NFL. He made a big mistake.
Richie from Truckee, CA
How’s that for another chapter in the Packers-Vikings rivalry?
It’s the best rivalry in the NFC North.
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I still have no idea what kind of a team the Jags are. Please help me understand, John. Can you recall a season with so many ups and downs to this point?
John: The Jaguars’ season indeed has had highs and lows, but many NFL seasons have highs and lows; it’s a week-to-week league. And it’s really not hard to figure what kind of team the Jaguars are through five games. They’re a team with a defense that can force turnovers and create sacks. When the team is trailing – as was the case against Tennessee in the second half – it’s hard for the defense to play to its strengths. When the team is in the game or is playing with the lead – as has been the case in the other four games – the defense can play to those strengths. The Jaguars won three of the games other than the Tennessee loss, and they lost in overtime to a New York Jets whose 3-2 record is as good as any of the Jaguars’ five opponents thus far this season. That’s what this team is: a team that can create turnovers and run effectively. It needs to be ahead or close to have a chance to win consistently.
Feels good. Should I gloat?
John: Absolutely. You’re a fan – and you’re a fan of a team that has had a lot of lean times. So, enjoy it. Gloat. Stick your chest out. Feel great. Go watch the game again and fast-forward to the pick-sixes, The Wave and the 90-yard run. Enjoy, enjoy, enjoy. Until Wednesday. Then it’s time to look ahead.
Good win. Now we just have to focus on consetantce and we will have a good year in my opinion. Can we give some props to the offensive line? They actually played really well considering they had to do some reshuffling this week. I think people see these Grade A offensive lines like dallas and forget how many first-round picks are invested in it – and yes, I left dallas not capitalized cause they are not America’s Team. So, short version: one for the O line.
John: Absolutely, one fer the offensive line – and while we’re at it, throw in a couple for consetantce. If I’ve said it once, I’ve said it 100 times: if you don’t have it, there’s just no way you can win in this league.
That was an awesome win; progress is definitely being made. Now, they must come home and beat a team they’re supposed to beat in front of their home fans. Winning at home seems to be something they’re not very good at. Must turn the corner on that. I sound like Captain Obvious!
John: I agree the Jaguars need to win Sunday, though I don’t know that I’m all-in on the Rams being a team the Jaguars are supposed to beat. The Rams are 3-2 and are ranked fifth in the NFL in total offense. Like the Jaguars, they believe they’re an ascending team. This will be a tough matchup.
Big O, you used to say how this team needed to improve its pass rush to win football games. I’d say that box is now checked.
John: Whether or not the Jaguars could be a slam-the-door pass rush in obvious passing situations was a fair question entering the season. It’s not as fair to keep asking that anymore.
In a world where Mrs. Ozone gets everything she wants …
John: O-Zone nods and says yes. He then checks his checking account using his online app. While feeling temporarily good about himself because of his ability to stay attune to this crazy “online generation,” he sees the balance. He cries silently and nods again.
I am so excited about this defense. I absolutely love our corners, but this has really been a team effort. Four different guys get interceptions? How many of those were caused by the D line pressuring the quarterback? To me, what’s most exciting is that this defense is young. Other than Poz and Calais (who are playing great), the rest of this defense could be around for a long time. Go Jags!
John: The core of this defense is young, confident and very talented. The future looks bright, but the future is difficult to project in the NFL. This defense right now looks good and it looks like something that can be the foundation of an improving, capable team this season. That’s the best thing that we’ve been able to say about this team on the field in recent memory.
I drove over four hours to make the trip to Pittsburgh, and boy was it worth it! Go Jags!!!
John: #DTWD
If you told me we’d be in a seven-way tie for second in the AFC and in first place in the AFC South in October, I’d have laughed hysterically at you before the season opener. Now, I’m not screaming Super Bowl by any means (yet), but I’m pretty excited about where this team is right now. If our passing game gets consistently good, I will start screaming those words though. Fair warning. #DTWD
John: The Jaguars have done what they needed to do through the first five weeks. They have navigated through a tricky stretch that included three road games and just one game at EverBank Field – and they have gotten through that stretch with a 3-2 record. I thought before the season if they were 2-3 or better at this point they would be in good shape. They are now 2-1 on the road. They have beaten a team on the road (Pittsburgh) that looked very good entering the game and they have a road victory over the defending division champions (Houston). So, you’re right to feel good about where the Jaguars are through five weeks. They’re in good position and have six home games remaining. While there’s no such thing as an easy or favorable schedule, there’s nothing about the remaining schedule that makes you think it’s not navigable. There is plenty that’s not perfect, the passing game in particular. But I’ll repeat something I’ve said a couple of times in the last few days. The NFL isn’t a league of perfect teams. Most teams have flaws. Most are entering this week with something they feel they must improve in a hurry. Most of those teams don’t have a defense that’s gaining confidence, leading the league in sacks and takeaways and looking like an improving unit that can carry the team a long way. The Jaguars have that. That could make the rest of the season very interesting.
This was a game that, when the schedule came out, everyone (including me) just chalked up in the loss column. When’s the last time we won a game like that? I honestly can’t remember.
John: Week 1, sort of. But you’re point is well-taken. For that and many other reasons Sunday was this franchise’s biggest victory in a long, long time.
14-2? I think so!!!!
John: God love him.
An inefficient offense and strikingly dominant defense. I’ve seen this formula win the Super Bowl before.
John: It’s October 10, so I’m not going to go giddy talking Super Bowl. But the formula for getting to the Super Bowl is to win in the regular season, keep improving and to continue improving once you make the playoffs. This team clearly has a foundation on which it can build and improve, and that foundation point looks strong, young and confident. That’s not a bad place to be through five games.
I take it all back. Leonard Fournette is a Greek god.
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Hey, John: by looking around the league at the number of quarterbacks getting injured, are we lucky that Blake Bortles has not missed any games in the last four years?
John: The Jaguars have been fortunate in that area – and Bortles’ durability and ability to play through physical issues is something that’s often overlooked. He did, for instance, take several huge hits on Sunday against the Jets and played through them. That durability arguably allowed the Jaguars to at least have a chance to get back into the game in the fourth quarter. The other side of that is Bortles didn’t appear as accurate or sharp after the hits, and he perhaps could have shown better pocket presence as the game wore on. But that’s nitpicking. The big picture is Bortles indeed has been remarkably durable and tight-lipped about playing through injuries and pain. The guy has been sacked a lot throughout his career and he has been hit a lot more than that. For him not to have missed a game without question is notable.
O-Man, what matchups should be favorable for the Jags Sunday, and which positions/players’ success will be critical in getting a W (other than the obvious, Bortles)? Thanks, O.
John: It’s hard to say the Jaguars have any overriding matchup advantage in this one, but a positive is the presence of cornerbacks Jalen Ramsey and A.J. Bouye. They could allow the Jaguars to limit Steelers wide receiver Antonio Brown; limiting him goes a long way in limiting the Steelers’ offense. Another key matchup: the Jaguars’ defensive line against Steelers running back Le’Veon Bell. This matchup actually goes beyond the line to the linebacking corps. Bell is a dangerous runner who thrives on finding gaps in a defense; considering the Jaguars’ struggles in this area against the Jets last week, improving in that area is paramount.
John, I am no joke at wide receiver. Isn’t the idea of covering who lines up in front of you to give a cornerback a break from trailing a No. 1 wide receiver all day in the NFL? I know other cornerbacks do it all the time in the NFL, but with your two cornerbacks being SO good is it not a luxury that might keep their legs a little bit fresher in the fourth quarter when you do not chase vert routes all game. Could not it be said I am their No. 1 wide receiver right now anyway?
John: Tave! ‘Sup!? Fair point.
Where’s the dividing line for why some players are eligible to return from injured reserve and others are not? Why wouldn’t the organization work it so everyone was eligible to return? For example, tight end Mychal Rivera is out for a year due to a hand injury. Why would the team choose to shut him down for the year rather than give him a chance to recover and contribute this year?
John: The dividing line is whether you were on the 53-man roster at 4 p.m. September 2. If you were on injured reserve before then, you are not eligible to return that season. The organization didn’t “work it” so everyone is eligible to return because you have to make decisions on players; keeping Rivera on the roster at that point would have meant releasing someone else and risking another team claiming that other player. If the Jaguars could have kept, say, 60 players on the roster as of September 2, they perhaps would have kept a player such as Rivera or even wide receiver Rashad Greene Sr. active before placing them on injured reserve and thereby allowing them the chance to return. They could not because those are the rules.
In a world where O-Zone gets what he wants …
John: O-Zone is married. He gave up on the idea of a world in which he gets what he wants long ago. He did so happily, of course.
Hey, O-dude. What is going on with the Jags signing players who are not healthy? Are we walking around the hospital saying “let’s sign him and him?” I’m referring to Jaelen Strong and Calvin Pryor. Is Strong going to be available to us on Sunday? We can definitely use him.
John: It’s football. Human beings get hurt playing it. Strong practiced this week and appears to have a chance to play. And yes … the Jaguars need someone to be a factor at wide receiver. With Marqise Leenot practicing Wednesday or Thursday this week, it appears there could be an opportunity for Strong Sunday. We’ll see.
You and everyone else seem to be convinced that Leonard Fournetteis going to be a star. I don’t see it just yet. He “falls forward” as good as anyone else in the league, and he’s among the toughest to bring down. But I don’t see the quick-twitch acceleration that will allow him to be a perennial 1,200-yard back without a dominant run-blocking offensive line (which we do not have). What is it that you and others see that I apparently don’t?
John: The games.
It’s really quite simple, John. When you waste first- and second-round picks from 2013-2016, it’s really hard to be good.
John: I’m hard-pressed to say the Jaguars wasted first- and second-round selections in 2016 (Jalen Ramsey, Myles Jack), but your point is correct: the Jaguars haven’t gotten enough out of some of their early selections in recent seasons. It’s hard to make up for misses there.
Oehser, u can’t keep shoving the same drivel down us Jaguars’ fans throats and expect us to keep eating/drinking it up. What say ye?
John: I write what I see, hear and interpret and try to explain what’s going on around the Jaguars best I can. That’s the job, and that’s what I do. What you eat or drink is entirely up to ye.
Aside from Blake Bortles elevating his game and playing four quarters of mistake-free football every week, what more can the Jaguars do to play more consistently and win more games? The defense, offensive line and run game have been good enough each week that I’m hesitant to think that there are any genuine issues with these groups or realistic ways for them to improve significantly. Do you think the Jaguars’ final 2017 record is going to be determined solely by how the quarterback and receivers play for the rest of the year?
John: Not particularly. While I think the Jaguars would benefit in a big way from more production in the passing game, I don’t think the season will rise and fall on its performance. I think a better indicator will be the defense’s ability to stop the run. If this defense can get teams into passing situations I think the pass rush will be effective enough to force turnovers and keep the Jaguars in a lot of games. I think the team will have trouble winning games when the defense can’t do those things no matter how the passing game performs.
Dear Mr. O-Zone, I was watching Thursday Night Football and I’ll tell you what: the Jags gotta make the playoffs and matchup with New England. Fournette running against that weak Patriots defense and the Jaguars pass rush against that Pats OLine. Come on, man! I want some GOAT meat!
John: Enjoy your time alone on that island.
Big Ben does not play well when he gets pressured up the middle. Just saying! Go Jaguars!
John: OK.
How will the offense avoid routinely being in second-and-long situations? It’s good to have an identity built around the run game and not allow the other team to change that about you. However, I can’t see this offense being successful when it is routinely having second-and-long and third-and-long situations. Maybe they want to pump the brakes a bit on the halfback dive on first down? I realize I’m second-guessing with hindsight from my couch, but I feel opposing defenses have a simple formula: get Blake into unfavorable down and distance and make him beat you with good throws.
John: I don’t think you’ll see the Jaguars pump the brakes too hard on the first-down run. This is a team that wants to establish the run and control tempo; and with a back such as Fournette you’re going to want to give him a chance to get you into second-and-manageable as often as possible. As for the “simple formula” of defenses opposing the Jaguars … getting the opposition into unfavorable down-and-distance situations is pretty much every team’s defensive formula every week. Teams that are successful doing it tend to play good defense. Teams that aren’t? Not so much.
I challenge you to a duel. Do you accept?
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